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Posted on 11-10-04 8:48 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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And the creater goes on to say "I bet if we got this on the ballot in all 50 states that even the jesus states would vote to let us go. We'll tell 'em its a moral values issue. Dorothy "

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Posted on 11-11-04 6:40 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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not a bad idea. does this mean we'll have to learn to play ice hockey?
 
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Along the sames lines, and to add to the angst and gum flapping, here's something from the Washington Times:


Blue states buzz over secession
By Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.
One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry ? Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states ? conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland."
The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."
"Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "
Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, New York Democrat.
In a telephone interview, Mr. O'Donnell said the red states that went to Mr. Bush "collect more from the federal government than they send in. New York and California, Connecticut ? the states that are blue are all the states that are paying for the bulk of everything this government does, from ... Social Security to everything else, and the people in those states don't like what this government is doing."
The Internet has exploded with talk of a blue-state confederacy, including one screed circulating by e-mail that features a map of a new country called "American Coastopia" and proposes lopping off the Northeast, the West Coast and the upper Midwest to form a new country, away from the "rednecks in Oklahoma" and the "homophobic knuckle-draggers in Wyoming."
"We were all going to move to various other countries, but then we thought ? why should WE move?" the anonymous message asks. "We hold our noses as we fly over you. We are sickened by the way you treat people that are different from you. The rest of the world despises America, and we don't want to be lumped in with you anymore."
The secession movement has already spawned commercial opportunism. One Web site is selling T-shirts that read "I seceded."
No one at the White House would comment on the calls for secession, but one top Republican official with ties to the Bush administration said the recent talk is not surprising, coming off an election in which the president received more than 59 million votes ? the most in history.
"If we were that far out of the mainstream, maybe we'd be pushing the creation of our own country," the official said. "Then we might have a chance of ever winning an election again."
But Andy Nowicki, a libertarian blogger, said the blue states will never secede because "liberals don't want to leave their enemies alone. Instead, as their track record shows, they want to take over the government in order to force their enemies to endure perpetual sensitivity training for being such racist, sexist, homophobic, 'closed-minded' boors, i.e., for disagreeing with them."


You can read the rest at
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041109-122753-5113r.htm

I better dust out me woolies ! Mush!

 
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The dems tried secession in the 1890's, if I am correct, and they lost the election for 30 odd years. Fact is that most states have mostly red counties, whether it be New York or California. Keep in mind though that Northern States like NY, for instance, have more densely populated urban areas. Let's see if this works:


Source is USA today.
http://images.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/elections2004/_images/2004countymap-final2.gif


Of course, this diagram is not very accurate because it makes it look like there are more Republicans up North than there are democrats. It doesn't take into account the fact that urban areas are much denser, whereas rural areas are mostly desert. 10 square miles of Boston is probably more populated than the whole of South Dakota, for instance.

Secession is not gonna work. It's not like blue states don't have Republican congressmen/governors in power.
The picture that kg4mvp post popped up first on democraticunderground. I am one of those members of that site.

 
Posted on 11-11-04 9:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Anyone seen the map of India including "Nepal Pradesh?"
 


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