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Bhunte
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Posted on 08-26-06 6:19
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WINDS OF CHANGE ON TEEJ: Transvestite couple Anil Mahaju and Diya Mahaju tie the knot at Blue Dimond Society office, Lazimpat, Kathmandu on Saturday on the occasion of Haritalika Teej. Photo: Shruti Shrestha
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bornfree
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Posted on 08-26-06 6:20
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Anis
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Posted on 08-26-06 6:56
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nails
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Posted on 08-26-06 7:42
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wait! that's a man?? she doesn't i mean he doesn't look like a man ke!! or is he just dressed up that way cause he's the bride!! what? :O :O :S :S really the bride looks like woman doesn't she or he? or whatever??? :S :S
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General
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Posted on 08-26-06 9:21
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Nails, You might look like the "man" at right hand side when you dress up the same. Will you try, post your pic and let us judge you whether you look like?
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 9:51
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Welcome to the twenty-first century!
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damadol
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Posted on 08-26-06 9:54
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I always wonder after the gays get married what would they do? Especialy "male" gays, they cannot have family I mean children, so whats the whole reason for official marriage ?
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:02
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They can always adopt children I suppose. Also, I think getting married has more to do with making a statement that they are normal human beings who want to be treated as such. In many cases, it is just the desire to live normal lives together, without the fear of having to runaway from who they really are, that drives people to get married, I think. I'd be very interested to see how the law in Nepal handles this. Gay marriage isn't legal and I am sure our bureaucrats, laywers and judges will have a field day with all this if these two folks decide to get a marriage certificate or something.
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Ghopachee
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:04
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All of you guys are talkin like conservative american Hippocrates. Its a simple gay marriage. I am glad it is accepted in nepal. I dont wanna start the whole debate of Gay Marriage here. Though I am not a gay, I have always disliked the ban of Gay Marriage in US. But in Nepal, its a different scenario. Eunuchs have been a part of our religion, our culture. They have always been discriminated and discarded as if they were some animals. We have incidents of people getting married to dogs and snakes. So why not Eunuchs. If an eunuch is to marry then no matter who they marry it will be a gay marriage. So I believe we have to rise up and accept the marriage. I feel so prowd that atleast in Nepal Gay Marriage is acceptable.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:06
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well, somebody had to start it anyways...hehe who's next on the line? :P LooTe
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:11
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Gopachhe. I agree with the thrust of your argument. But the fact of the matter is gay marriage is not widely acceptable in Nepal and is unlikely to be so anytime soon. We have barely begun to accept women as equals, gays are still a long ways away! :)
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lootekukur
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:18
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hmm...good question.. i am not against gay marriage as well (i am straight, mind you!)....i don't see why gay marriage cannot be legal...but conservative society as ours definitely needs some time for sure to divulge into this issue and accept is as "being normal" and legalise it. i am just wondering what if a person decides to marry animals say a dog...or a cat...hehe...in the future and wants to legalise it..i mean can we really draw the margin here? or is it that this "sex vibe" doesn't have any margin/limitation? i mean anyone may want to marry "anything" right? hehe...food for thought... LooTe
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ImI
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:22
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hahahaha... no limit...are u planning to get married anyways??hmmm.. food for thought now which girl is going to marry you...human being and animal..:P hehehehe
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lootekukur
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:31
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hahaha...no seriously... i mean see, 20 years back, who had thought that nepal will witnesee a gay marriage...it's all possible...human beings are learners. its a part of the evolution i guess...and i won't be surprised if tomorrow, a person fighting to legalise his/her marriage with his/her pet hehe...it's a wild world, i am telling you! HEHE. the question is...can you draw the line and say...you can marry with these genders, these animals, these things...hehe so on and so forth... spin your head! hehe LooTe
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ImI
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:38
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why is it so surprising.. there were so many incidents that two girls getting married 18-20 years ago..that time i used to wonder why two girls are getting married..now may be this is first time happening in nepal (publicly).. One thing i know ..we are social animals ..there are certain criteria society dictates.May be right may be wrong..but what i feel most part society is there for reasons and social laws and norms is must. Now people might be too open .too liberal and say that gay should be allowed to marry.and this and that..but remember this kind of activities do bring lot of other problems not just gay marriage.. well it is personal choice and Law shouldn't dictate on the sexual preference of one. But i personally do not enourage though i am not agaist it.If i say i am against it people might still call be bush fan .hhahaha seriously i am liberal but with some reservations..
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:43
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Lootekukur, my friend, I am smiling at the 'food for thought' comment. The last time you said such a thing, there was a bit too much food on the table and a lot of it was unrelated to thought! LOL. Anyways, I don't think it's a fair to seek any sort of moral equivalence between gay marriage and marriage with animals. Besides distracting from the real issue in the debate, which in my opinion is human equality and dignity, your point in some ways dimishes and mocks the sufferings of gays in places like Nepal and elsewhere who have suffered pretty badly at the hands of homophobes who use arguments very similar to the one you put forth. I know you are not a homophobe so don't take my point personally. Yes, it is for a society to decide what is acceptable behavior. If a society should decide zoosexualism is acceptable, then they have every right to. It may not be to everyone's taste but that's their decision. I am realist and realize society will not see gay marriage as 'normal' for a long time. I live in a state, as do many other Sajhaites, where gay marriage is legal and some of my collegues, friends and relatives are gay. And they are as 'normal', if not more, than the others in society who are heterosexuals. I haven't met anyone attracted to animals yet, but I'd be willing to at least hear them out, even if I did not see eye to eye with them :) Just a thought.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:48
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well i am not surprised...it may be surprising for my grandmom though.. similarly, if 10 years down the line a girl gets married with a dog, lots of people may get surprised. but then many may argue its a part of the evolution-human nature... i am NOT against gay marriage...i will vote to legalise it in nepal, if need be. but i would like to see a more certainity on this aspect so that we won't be surprised anymore. and concerned people don't have to fight for "weird" (as of now..i could not think of a better word sorry) marriages. is it possible? LooTe
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 10:50
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It is ... but will take time. Issues like these often take one or two generations to resolve.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 08-26-06 11:10
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oops the last comment was for ImI, captain haddock hahaha....that "food" went wasted hehe i realised it too...may be i should barge myself on putting too much on the table....we are not that voracious it seems hehe..:P well, i appreciate your comment... and your arguments sound understandable. in fact my views resonate with yours!... i am just trying to look at the bigger picture without rambling and digressing (which i may potentially do...hehe..so check me on that). i mean there is no restriction to human emotions..it's all about respecting others..that's why i feel gay marriage should be legalised. but should it be marginalised? that's my question. i mean do we really want to fight for "weird" (of all kinds..even with animals) marriages... let me be more blunt...i know this may invite me trouble or may offend many..but i am just taking my chances as this is our sajha. what if tomorrow say handful of people raise their voice for legalising "sibling marriage" . i mean what if a brother wants to marry his sister or vice versa. it's NOT impossible, is it? i mean let's see things on "social" vs "legal" perspective. can we justify marriages that have all kinds of "weirdness" (at the moment. i am sorry for this word again). LooTe
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 08-26-06 11:27
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Lootekukur, what would Sajha be like without your good spirits and humour? :) I shudder to think ...:-> I am not sure what the law technically says about marrying your direct sibling, but marrying cousins is common practices amongst Muslims worldwide, some Thakuris and Gurungs and a few others in Nepal, and even amongst some in rural America. The taboo associated with it is social. I doubt very many prosecuters in America will spend their time chasing people who marry their sisters. That sort of attraction is very rare - certainly much more rare than homosexuality. It is believed 10% of the populations is gay. Incest is still a crime and I don't have too much of a problem with that. The key thing here is when you legislate morality, there is always subjectivity involved, and there will never be a right or wrong answer. That is why I think arguments on this subject turn out to be a waste of time a lot of the times. For me gay marriage is a real issue that affects a significant section of the population and should be dealt with. Trying to create philosophical arguments out of non-issues is, in my opinion, a futile excercise that leads to nowhere.
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