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grgDai
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Posted on 05-14-12 10:46
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http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Banking+on+Facebook+for+%27united+Nepal%27&NewsID=331937
RUDRA PANGENI
KATHMANDU: It was a bandh called by Brahmin-Chhetri Samaj on Friday morning, and Mega Bank CEO Anil Keshary Shah clad in traditional daura suruwal and bhadgaule topi was struggling to pass through Babarmahal in a journalist’s car with ‘PRESS’ sticker to participate in a programme.
On the way, he came across thousands of people bearing the brunt of bandh on the issue of federalism and came up with an innovative idea to press the political parties for timely drafting of the constitution. On his Facebook wall he wrote that he is proud of his ethnic heritage and “far more honored and privileged to be a son of NEPAL, my motherland.” He changed his Facebook name to Anil Keshary Nepal “till we get our Constitution promulgated” and urged his Facebook friends to join “me and change your fb last name to Nepal” for a united Nepal.
It did move some prominent Nepali figures. Journalist Gajendra Budhathoki replaced his surname with Nepali. Former BBC journalist Sushil Sharma wrote “I am Nepali” on his Facebook status, and asked others if they wanted to be known by their caste or just as a Nepali. He also gave a reference of a survey commissioned by a weekly magazine that claimed 74 per cent of people like to be called Nepali rather than be known by their surnames.
Among the users changing their last name are journalist Prateek Pradhan, pilot Bijaya Lama, entrepreneurs Binaya Lamichhane and Prashant Raj Karki. Vikram Upadhyaya, a Nepali student in Chicago, also expressed solidarity with the campaign.
“In order to support undivided Nepal and prove my indifference to the caste, creed and ethnicity, I have decided to (in response to Anil Nepal, CEO of Mega Bank) change my facebook identity until May 27th to Prateek Nepali,” Pradhan wrote on his wall.
Talking to this daily, Anil said, “The culture of disagreeing with others by means of bandh should be shunned for ever to unleash the potential of Nepali youth.”
He said the campaign was a humble protest against strikes and bandh.
Anil said he was not against federalism but the restructuring should be for the prosperity of Nepal.
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Posted on 05-15-12 9:46
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Not sure about Chaurey, but at least Bathroom Coffee almost made a sound point.
He is criticizing something somebody proposed; I actually support that. We ought to have criticism, hopefully constructive, so that we can analyze the good and the bad. Using "ha ha ha" and words like "moron" doesn't help put a sound criticism; and if you want to criticize a point, you should be equally willing to hear the other side. I hope you will do that.
Like rethink stated, the offer is still valid. $10K is waiting for you.
You said changing name won't change the appearance. I tell you that you are missing the point. Changing the last name (temporarily) is not to shadow or cover once appearance. Matter of fact, I don't feel any shame keeping my last name; we ought to be proud of what we have. But on the same token, with all caste related violence we have seen, this gesture can be seen as a symbolic opposition to those violence and caste based division. Is it going to make it all good? Nobody is claiming that. We can't be satisfied with just change of name and thinking our responsibility is over; but its a start.
If you still don't see a point on doing this, why don't you NOT do it instead of discouraging and mocking everybody else who supports it.
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Posted on 05-15-12 10:11
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"यिनीहरु आफुले पनि केहि गर्दैनन अरुले गरेको पनि सहदैनन. न त आफुले केहि गर्ने कोशिश नै गर्छन. खाली नचाहिने तर्क बितर्क राखेर आफै ठुलो देखाउन र आफ्नो ध्वाँस फुक्ने कोशिश निरन्तर गर्छन|"
saibabaji well said!
Bathroom coffee says The reason I am skeptical:- 1 Democracy ayo bhaney hamro sabai ko life better huncha Bhaneko( I fully supported them) Khoi ta ? Life ailey samma pani justaaaa tustai.
2 La la Raja ley desh phirtaa liyooo bhaney sabai thik hunch, Khoi ta ? Nothing happened(he just sat on his ass and did nothing).
3 then the commies came to end the corruption and better Nepal and its been almost 4 yrs and counting. Khoi taa ?
That's like saying oh I supported cancer research and AIDS research for years and years but KHOI TA?? No cure yet. I supported hiring different agencies, different scientists but no cure. KHOI TA?? So now I don't support any initiative towards finding a cure because it never worked in the past. That's the most dumbest logic I have ever seen.
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 05-15-12 10:32
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I am not going to stop fools jumping off a bridge in the name of helping Nepal. I rest my case. Go on jump off and make my day. Why just change your last name, get plastic surgery too. lol !! That would make us all look alike and bring us togather. ha ha ha Shree Pashupatinath comends you for changing your name in support of Nepal. I think y'all deserve a gorkha Dakchin Bau for dat.
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grgDai
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Posted on 05-15-12 10:56
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It's clear who's the fool here constantly exaggerating and losing touch with reality like Kiddo pointed out.
"आफुले पनि केहि गर्दैनन अरुले गरेको पनि सहदैनन. न त आफुले केहि गर्ने कोशिश नै गर्छन. खाली नचाहिने तर्क बितर्क राखेर आफै ठुलो देखाउन र आफ्नो ध्वाँस फुक्ने कोशिश निरन्तर गर्छन|"
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Geology Tiger
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Posted on 05-15-12 11:04
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साथीभाइहरुमा बडो गजबको बहस चलिरहेको रहेछ, नेपालमा जोरशोरको साथमा चलिरहेको जातीय राज्यको मागप्रति असहमति जनाउन आफ्नो थर सबैले नेपाली राख्ने कुरा कति ठीक र कति बेठिक भन्ने कुरामा...
मलाई लाग्छ यहाँ आफ्नो विचार राख्ने सबै साथीहरु देशको लागि उत्तिकै चिन्तित हुनुहुन्छ, मात्र देश र जनताले कसरी अहिलेको सारा समस्याबाट मुक्ती पाउछन् भन्ने विषयमा मात्र फरक विचारहरु छन् । ज-जसले आफ्नो थर नेपालीमा परिवर्तन गर्नुभएको छ, उहाँहरु वास्तवमै यो जातीय राज्यको मागप्रति असन्तुष्ट हुनुहुन्छ र देशमा जातिय सद्भाव कायम रहोस् भन्ने चाहनुहुन्छ । यो एउटा स्वागतयोग्य विचार हो तर उहाँहरु त पहिलेदेखि नै जातीय राज्य र जातीय विभेदको विपक्षमा उभिनुभएको छ नि । त्यसैले वहाँहरुको सोच र कार्यशैलीमा यो थरको परिवर्तनले तात्विक फरक पार्दैन । महत्वपूर्ण के हो भने उहाँहरुले यसरी आफ्नो थर नेपाली राख्दा जातीय पहिचान र जातीय राज्यको पक्षमा नारा लगाइरहेका मान्छेलाई कस्तो सन्देश जान्छ ? के साँच्चै उनीहरुले अहो मान्छेहरुले आफ्नो थर नै परिवर्तन गरेर नेपाली राख्न थाले हामी पनि अब यस्तो जातीय पहिचानको माग गरेर बस्नु हुँदैन भनेर सोच्नेछन् अथवा यो सब संघियता बिरोधीहरुको चाल हो भनेर बुझ्नेछन् ? मेरो विचारमा यो जातीय पहिचानको उग्र नारा लगाउने मान्छेहरुको दिमाग यति सजिलै परिवर्तन हुनेवाला छैन । तर सधैं एक थरी यस्ता मान्छेहरुको समूह हुन्छ जसको आफ्नो केही सोच हुँदैन र जतातिर हावा बहन्छ त्यतैतिर ढल्किन्छन् शायद त्यो समूहलाई यसले केही असर गरिहाल्छ कि?
आजको आवश्यकता के हो भने कुनै एउटा नेपालीप्रति राज्य र अरु नेपालीहरुले गर्ने व्यवहारमा जात, लिङ, बर्ण र भूगोलको आधारमा भेदभाव नहोस् । बिसौ थरी जातीको बसोबास भएको क्षेत्रलाई कुनै एउटा जातीको नामको राज्य नबनाइयोस् । तर यसो भन्दैमा हामीलाई हाम्रो जातीय पहिचाननै चाहिदैन भन्ने चाँही होइन । चाहे निर्जिव हुन् अथवा सजिव हुन् तिनको समान प्राकृतिक गुणको अाधारमा वर्गिकरण गर्नु र तिनको अध्ययन गर्नु त विज्ञानको पनि आधारभूत सिद्दान्त हो नि । हामी को हौ र कहाँबाट आयौ भन्ने जस्ता मानवजातीको विकासक्रमको तथ्यहरु भावीपुस्ताको लागि जोगाइराख्न भने पनि हामीले हाम्रो पहिचान सम्पूर्ण रुपमा मेटाउन हुँदैन ।
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 05-15-12 11:16
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oh now I am dhwas phukoing here ? Who started this thread ? Ohhh !! Mr. I am changing my last name for Nepal. lol !! He wants our Kyabaath. La ta ek daam thuulo kaam garyau, taakma paunu parney. ha ha ha
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Posted on 05-15-12 11:28
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हामि मात्र मानब हौ | न हाम्रो केहि जात हुनु पर्छ न त पहिचान , पहिचान हुनु पर्छ त सिर्फ मानवताको | येसरी, मानब-मानब बीचमा विभेद ल्याउने खालका जुन किसिमको संस्कृति अझ भन्नु पर्दा संकुचित विचारधारा जो सायद संसारको सबै देशहरुमा छ , त्यो नस्ट हुनु एकदम जरुरि छ | हामी कहाँ बाट आयो र हाम्रो इतिहास जस्ता कुराहरु पुराना भै सके | नया इतिहास रच्न जरुरि छ - एक पृथ्वी एक मानब | जब सम्म यो धारणाको बिकाश हुदैन तब सम्म आतंक, द्वन्द, लडाई, घृणा इत्यादिको क्रम जारि नै रहनेछ |
शुरुवात प्रतेक देशमा बस्ने हरुले आफुलाई तेही देसको नामलाई अङ्गीकार गरि सांकेतिक रुपमा भएनी आफ्नो जातीय पहिचानको नस्ट गर्नु हो र एउटा नया पहिचानको सुरुवात | एती गर्न सकियामा देश भित्र रहेका सबै एक हुने थिए होला - कल्पना गर्न सकिन्छ |
कतिलाइ मेरो विचार नपच्ला तर अध्यात्मिक विचारधारा बोकेका मजस्ता हरुले भने एस्त कुरा उहिले पचाई सक्या छन् |
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Posted on 05-15-12 11:31
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I started this thread because I thought it was an interesting thing that the CEO was doing. I have not advocated the name changing. I will not be changing my last name. No. It's you who is jumping at your own conclusions. But I do support anyones right to change their names if they so feel without having to get approval from psycho maniac like you who think they know everything.
Point out where I said I will be changing my last name? You live in your own imaginary world and make up things as we have seen many times in sajha.
"आफुले पनि केहि गर्दैनन अरुले गरेको पनि सहदैनन. न त आफुले केहि गर्ने कोशिश नै गर्छन. खाली नचाहिने तर्क बितर्क राखेर आफै ठुलो देखाउन र आफ्नो ध्वाँस फुक्ने कोशिश निरन्तर गर्छन|"
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Posted on 05-15-12 11:49
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Now I am a psycho maniac ? lol !! Ok Mr Smaat Intelligent sane person, you did not advocate but it comes pretty close when you say,"it might be a long shot but changing last name to "Nepal" may set a good precedence." I think your needle is stuck on that vinyl cause you keep reapeating the same line over and over again. lol
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Posted on 05-15-12 12:08
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After a certain bit of discussion, a debate starts losing its focus, and ultimately, its goal. Debators throw out
logics and become adamant on their beliefs.
I think we have reached that point.
Geology Tiger's point is credible; I can see how the nay sayers could easily
construe this group as Federal republic conspirators. Having said that, I still support the cause. And much like Grgdai, I might not
change my last name but appreciate the gesture from those who have done so.
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Posted on 05-15-12 12:22
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तितो सत्य साथी,
कुरा एकदम सही हो, तर मेरो तर्क के हो भने एक देशमा बस्ने सबै नागरिक भावनात्मक रुपमा एक हुनुपर्छ र अझ संसारकै मानवहरु पनि एक हुनुपर्छ । यति मात्र किन म त अहिंसाको पूजारी, कुनै पनि प्राणीको हिंसा गर्नु हुँदैन भन्ने मेरो मान्यता हो र सम्पूर्ण प्राणीमात्रको जय होस् यो मेरो मूल मन्त्र हो । यो त भए भावनाको कुरा, अब यथार्थताको कुरा गरौ । निश्चित रुपमा हामी को हौ र कहाँबाट आयौ भन्ने कुरा पुरानो भइसक्यो त्यसैले त त्यो हाम्रो ईतिहास भयो । तर ईतिहासलाई भावी पुस्ताको लागि जोगाउने जिम्मा पनि त हाम्रै हो । ल मानिलिउ हामी सबैले नेपाली थर राख्यौ, अब भन्नुस् के हामी साँच्चै नै उद्देस्यमा सफल हुन्छौ ? र के सबै यसो गर्न सहमत हुनेछन ? ल एउटा अत्यन्त जातीवादी व्यक्तीलाई जवर्जस्ती थर परिवर्तन गर्न लगाएर नेपाली रखियो रे, के भोली देखिनै उ सबै नेपालीलाई नेपाली मात्र देख्ने हुन्छ? के नेपाली थर राख्दैमा भोली देखि राइको नाक बाउनको जस्तो चुच्चो र बाउनको नाक राइको जस्तो थेप्चो हुन्छ ? भनाइको मतलब हामी सबै नेपाली हौ तर हाम्रो शाररिक रंगरुप एकै छैन, हाम्रो चालचलन एकै छैन र हाम्रो संस्क्रिती पनि एकै छैन । उहिलेको कुरा पुरानो भए पनि यही उहिलेकै कुराले गर्दा नै हामी वर्तमानमा एक अर्कोसँग यसरी फरक भएका हौ र यो हाम्रो यथार्थ हो ।
एक थरी नारी पुरुष बराबरी भनेर कुर्लनेसँग मलाई सार्है हाँसो उठ्छ । अरे बाबा प्रकृतिले नै अत्यन्त फरक खालको शरीरिक बनावट दिए पछी कि त सबैले सन्तोष पन्तको छोरोले जस्तै गर्नुपर्यो नत्र कसरी नारी पुरुष बराबरी हुन्छ ? हाम्रो मान्यता के हुनुपर्छ भने कोही पुरुष भएकै आधारमा अथवा कोही नारी भएकै आधारमा समाजबाट गरिने व्यवहारमा चाँही भेदभाव नहोस् । हो त्यसै गरी फरक अनुहार भएका र फरक संस्क्रिती बोकेका नेपालीहरु बिचमा त्यसैको आधारमा भेदभाव पनि नहोस् । जव कोही नेपाली यो जातिय सम्मानको भावनालाई आत्मसाथ गर्न सक्ने अवस्थामा पुगिसक्छ तव उसले नेपाली थर राख्नु र नराख्नुले खासै फरक पार्दैन । अनि जवसम्म उसमा त्यो जातिय सम्मानको भावना पलाएको हुँदैन उसले नत नेपाली थर नै राख्ला र राखे पनि त्यसले कुनै फरक पार्दैन । फेरी पनि म भन्छु सबभन्दा ठुलो परिवर्तन व्यक्तिको भावनाको हो नामको होइन । गधालाई गाई नामकरण गर्दैमा त्यसले भटाभट दुध दिन त सुरु गर्दैन नि, गर्छ र?
म पनि जमानामा जोन लेनिनको इम्याजिन सुनेर सारा संसारको मान्छे सबै एक हुनुपर्छ भन्ने भावनामा बगेको मान्छे र अझै पनि मेरो मनको एउटा कुनामा त्यो बाँकी नै छ । ज-जसले जातिय सम्मानको भावनालाई आत्मसात गरेर आफ्नो थर नेपाली राख्नु भएको छ उहाँहरुलाई मेरो सलाम । तर नेपाली थर राखेकै भरमा म सबैलाई यसरी सम्मान गर्दिन, मेरो मूल्याकंन नाममा होइन काममा आधारित हुनेछ र म आफ्नो थर नेपाली पनि राख्दिन । तर म यति कुरामा ढुक्क छु मेरो मन पनि ती नेपाली थर राख्नेहरु भन्दा कम नेपाली चाँही छैन ।
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BC you have already discredited yourself multiple times in just this one thread. You need to take it as a clue to your state of mental disarray and perhaps go get some medical help. You are suffering from delusion. You have created false statements multiple times to support your inexistent point.
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Halo nepali. There. Our caste does not define us. We are nepali first and foremost.
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धेरै छ गर्नु स्वदेशको सेवा नेपाली बन्नलाई,
शिर ठाडो पारी नेपाली भन्ने म नै हुँ भन्नलाई,
हैन भने नेपाली नभन,
वीरको छोरा नातिमा नगन
नेपाली हुन पूर्व जनमको कमाइले पुग्दैन,
पूर्खाको पौरख, श्रम र आशिष मात्रैले पुग्दैन,
नेपाली हुन पवित्र आत्मा नेपाली चाहिन्छ, नेपाली चाहिन्छ ..
पराया मुटु दौराको फेरले छोपेर पुग्दैन,
हैन भने नेपाली नभन
वीरको छोरा नातिमा नगन
महाकाली मेची हो भन्छन नेपाल, म भन्छु मानचित्र
वास्तविक नेपाल छ भने कतै नेपाली मनभित्र
सबैले मन खोलेर भन जय जय नेपाल, जय जय नेपाल
भन्यौ कि बन्यो नेपाल सुन्दर शान्त र बिशाल
हैन भने नेपाली नभन
वीरको छोरा नातिमा नगन
सबैले मन खोलेर भन जय जय नेपाल, जय जय नेपाल
गोपाल योन्जन
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In the eyes of animals, we're human. They don't recognize human by their caste and religion. I agree we're brought up in this time and culture where we human feel very proud to feel distinguised from each other. I perceive things from little above than that established paradigm. I see every human as a human. It's interesting to know though where s/he comes from and under what circumstances s/he was brought up. Other than that, I don't really find it meaningful to create feelings and emotions based on someones ethnicity or locality or race. But the irony is we're busy at judging eachother based on their ethnicity or locality or race. This is ridiculous. In the post above, I didn't imply that one has to have his/her lastname changed, but if you infered that way, I've nothing to say. My point was that we should treat eachother as a human regardless of anything that comes in between, after all we are human on planet earth.
Try to see things global, not in constricted manner.
And regarding to the physical attributes you mentioned like "के नेपाली थर राख्दैमा भोली देखि राइको नाक बाउनको जस्तो चुच्चो र बाउनको नाक राइको जस्तो थेप्चो हुन्छ ?" , Blame it to mother nature. She shapes us based on the environment we're grown up. I just remembered a lab experiment done several years ago where bacteria of same pool of gene when placed and grown in three different environments, after months, they showed astonishingly different physical and gene characteristics from what they were once. This mutation totally baffled scientist and they concluded that environment does matter in the growth of organism.
What I'm saying is I already quit narrow thoughts like that long ago. I don't find myself in the boat full of educated morons anymore.
Is it time to wake up??
My facebook has
Location as :Planet Earth
My religion :Humanity
My Race: Human .
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Geology Tiger
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BT bro I think we are talking about same idea in different ways.
No two DNAs are alike and I don't want to blame mother nautre for this because this is what brought you and me and all different biological species into existence. Biological diversity is the law of nature not an exception. So I like to conclude my part of discussion in this thread by saying that we human beings are equal but not the same and all of us must be treated equally regardless of our ethinicity, sex and geographical diversity.
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Enough of discussion.
Let me present a very much related, funny but real piece of information.
This is an exerpt from Nepal's first law book, issued in B.S. 1910. Courtesy: mysansar.
Let's just say, for those who are opposing this cause, I am willing to pay 5 rupees for the crime listed in bullet 1 of the exerpt.
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Grg ok I have multple times discredited myself. ha ha ha I am a lunatic and you are a SAINT. Fine I will admit I am the bad apple and you are the best. lol!!! Just reflects upon your mentality. When people cannot argue with facts they resort to name calling. ha ha ha I will check myself into McLean Hospital and have a shrink check my delusion. I guess even if I quote you word for word I am still making inexistant statement. ha ha ha You win I lose(thats what you want to hear right ?).
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जातीयताको लडाई लडाउने दुवै हातमा लड्डु , अरबौ को सम्पति बोकेर मदलिको नाच नचाएर बसेका छन् अनि बाकि हामि मदाली - हुन्छ प्रसाद देखि हुन्छ बहादुर सबै .
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