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joshiji
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Posted on 02-01-05 8:10
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I think King made the best decision. I think that we in Nepal don't understand what true Democracy mean. Politicians in Nepal were busy making money for their own benefit for the past 15/16 years. All they know is to chew PAN and give jargons. They could have done lot during Birendra's Time did they nope? You see then with 2/3 luxury cars and foreign bank a/c and so forth. There was not Moisist issue before why now cause they know that the political party member not educated at all and they take advantage. To me personally Democracy in Nepal was Like " Badar KO haat MAA Narial". Don?t know what to do. I hope when all said and done King will prove that the steps he took was best for the country, its people, its coming generations and tourist. Nepal was the only peaceful country in the world before and we need to accomplish that again. I wish best for the country Nepal. Jai NEPAL
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Posted on 02-02-05 9:40
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Posted on 02-02-05 9:41
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कुछ लोग राजा के क़दम की सराहना कर रहे हैं, काठमांडू के एक व्यक्ति ने मुझसे कहा, "प्रजातंत्र आने के बाद नेताओं ने जो कुछ भी किया है ग़लत किया है जबकि राजा ने जो भी किया है अच्छा ही किया है. मेरे हिसाब से अब इस देश का भविष्य अच्छा ही होगा." काठमांडू का जनजीवन सामान्य है, लोग पहले की तरह ख़रीदारी कर रहे हैं, सड़क पर गाड़ियाँ चल रही हैं. माओवादियों ने जो हड़ताल बुलाई है उसका भी कोई असर कम से कम काठमांडू में तो नहीं दिख रहा. bbc.co.uk/hindi
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GORKHALI-X
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Posted on 02-02-05 9:46
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Nepe Bro looks like you studied too much you lack something that is common sense, dude look around you, everybody is happy and enjyoing because there is going to be no bandh and julus in kathmandu for awhile, I got a email from a fren who happens to be in nepal right now and he wrote a email saying life is normal in ktm, while listining to bbc in XM last night the correspondent for BBC in nepal who happend to be a gora also said life was normal and ordinary people are supporting the Kings move, why dont' you go to nepal and save it? you can't right? you have too much to loose in america why would you go? I wouldn't go either.... let the King do his thing if he fails than do something about it but since everyone had their chance to bring peace to nepal and no body did, all they did was yap yap and yap more like you are doing here, GIve King G and chance and give peace a chance.. Nepe brother below is the sajha poll as mentioned by SAGUN WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT KING G'S MOVE ON FEB 1, 2005? [Created by admin@sajha.com] Options Percentage No of Votes I support it 71% 52 I oppose it 25% 18 I don't care 4% 3 VOTE | DISCUSS | MORE POLLS people are already speaking.......... and thank you NepaliCNN........ for your insight on nepali college education, more politics than studies I KNOW I AM GOING TO TAKE SOME HEAT FOR TAKING ON SAJHA FAVORITE NEPE BAHADUR, BUT BRING IT ON............ for days all I have read is hate hate and hate in sajha, show some love to King G, he deserves his 15 mins a fame, If girija, madhav, pashupati, surya bahadur, deuba and all craps who can't even spell their name right in nepali wants to be a minister and rule nepal but can't and haven't and not even thought about bringing peace in nepal, after all he is the king, if he sees fit that the gov't is incapable of doing anything and he wants to take control and do something let him do it. He is the king of nepal, and as his subjects lets support him in his peace effort. If he fails than Nepe for King how is that?????
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Posted on 02-02-05 9:52
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kho nepe bro? kalam chodera banduk uthauna ready???? bro war is not easy? since you have spoken, I should call myself Rajabadi now, since I support what King G did...........so, like I said bring it on, if you win I hope your topi wouldn't be sold to india, you look good in that nepali topi........ next time you take a picture like that it will be called indian topi............
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usofa
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Posted on 02-02-05 9:58
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once again disclaimer This Vote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those who are in favor of monarchy and have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions in general, nor the public as a whole Dristi Saptahik
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uaboknas
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Posted on 02-02-05 10:00
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time will tell if rite or wrong decision
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kuiyeko_aalu
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Posted on 02-02-05 10:23
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uaboknas ko kura chai ekdum chitta bujhyo yar... time will tell everything
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Posted on 02-02-05 11:02
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I am just shocked at the level of support I have seen on the Sajha. I wonder it is loss of collective memory, lack of intellect or sheer ignorance that such a vocal majority seems that all will be fine, now that King has taken charge. And, that all the problems Nepal faces today was creation of Girija, Sher Bahadur, Madhav Kumar Nepal. I feel pity at the total ignorance of the facts, I am sad at the fact the people living in some of the most democractic countries, enjoying the freedom (political and economic), safety and security of the democracies (here I am assuming that most of the people posting on Sajha are in US, UK, Australia so on and so forth and not in North Korea, Cub, Iran or Myanmar) clinging to the royalists argument that Nepal had no option but the King. And that king is the savior of all the ills. Is it really so? Some questions to think: 1) Are all the problems of Nepal (social, economical and political) results of last 14 (12 years) of democracy? 2) Did the political leaders inherit a heaven without all the problems that we now so easily associate to Girija, to Gagan Thapa ? 3) What was the status of Nepal?s socio-economic condition before 1990? To them, who argue that nothing was achieved look at the figures. You don?t need to go far read the Kantipur/Kathmandu Post of January 28th. The per capita income has doubled in the last ten years, the percentage of poor has gone below 30 percent, the electricity has touched to 37% of Nepalese households from 14% a decade ago. Similarly, 91% of population has easy access to education, roads have increases. These are the only basic indicators of what has happened. I do not say, everything was well under democracy or that our leaders behaved the best they could have. But, I find it difficult to believe that Gyanendra can be the savior. Everyone talks as if corruption was invented by Girija Prasad in Nepal. Is that so? Did Nepalese people enjoyed the corruption free society during the Panchyat era, during the direct rule of King? Now, every one will say, well! we were a peaceful country during the panchayat era and that democracy brought all the violence. Two points on this, was Nepal really peaceful? or was Nepal a quiet country ? Nepalese people forced to be quiet under the threat of armed forces. In every decade since the 1950s there has been some king of violent/non-violent political movement in Nepal. Can we still call it a peaceful country? And, how would Gyanendra bring peace in Nepal that Deuba, Koirala and Nepal couldn?t? Does he have anything more the morally weak Nepal Police and Royal Nepal Army? If the same army couldn?t do much during the past four years, how would they function differently now that Gyanendra hijacked the people?s voice. I see only one way, kill as much people as you can in Rolpa, Rukum, Jajarkot, kill the journalists, political leaders and human rights activists who even dare to criticize the army or the King. First, emergency claimed about 3,000 nepali lives, that is when there was parliament and elected government was in place. Now, that all those constraint won?t be there?..you can expect the to the number of Maobadi killed to skyrocket?Is that the solution? If that was it, wouldn?t we already have peace in the country? After all more than 10,000 have already died..Why do we still have more Maobadi than ever ? Why does not army control any more than Kathmandu, district headquarters and the parts of highways? I just want to point want that Gyanendra is not a Massiah and I do not see him having magic rod. Further more, I find it ludicrous to believe that we can expect the best government from former panches?if they governed well?would we still have panchyat?
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kuiyeko_aalu
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Posted on 02-02-05 11:21
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gaaule jyu,ur argument is good, in my point of view...democracy can be betterand better with more practice...I don't say democracy is the best system in the world but i don't see the replacement to it...what u guyes think...think a lot though...
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Harkey
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Posted on 02-02-05 11:54
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It's a good point that education, development and per capita income has gone up in these few years. So has the corruption rate, war victims, school closure and supression of human rights. There is no argument that democracy is the best option. But as for current situation in our country, where things were going berserk, such drastic action is welcome, at least being a Kathmandu dweller, now we can hope for no more bandhas, steady college sessions and comparatively more peace . Now only time will tell whether this action by the king is for good or bad. But, as for now, this was to happen. The way things were going out of hand, the way democracy was being treated as badar ko haat ma nariwal, badar being the so called "netas" who would do anything to get the "kursi", who would sign any accord to full his pocket and those who would start a riot just because he wasn't treated as a VIP. The best aspect of this action is that we can at least tell India that Nepal is a sovereign country. I believe it is better to be ruled by your king or politicians rather than implicitly being governed by a foreign power. During last few years all the corrupt politicians had sign various accords that would put our Nepal's existence in vain, from Tanakpur to Mechi. And for every decision, these "netaas" had to get a permission from our great neighbour. Well, "sama duri ko siddhanta " is what I would go for. We have both India and China as our neighbour and we should remember they are our neighbours, not patrons. Again only time will tell where this action would lead us, but for now, praise to the king for reminding us all that we are Nepalese and we can take a stand against the nosy neighbour.
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Posted on 02-03-05 8:35
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>जुन दिन राजाले पहिलो गणतन्त्रवादीलाई गोली ठोक्न आदेश दिन्छन् (धेरै दिन पर्खन पर्दैन), त्यो दिनदेखुन् राजनीतिको खेल अर्कै नियममा खेलिन्छ, हजुर । युद्धको नियममा । राजाका जत्थामा बस्ने राजाको योद्धा मानिनेछन्, भनेसी, अब युद्दको लागि कम्मर कस्नै पर्ने भो हैन त? अब हामी सँगै सँगै हिनेका बटुवाहरु ठाम ठाममा हाम्रा अगाडि दोबाटाहरु आए। कति मित्रहरु त दोबाटोमै छुटे पनि। धन्य यहाँसम्म सँगै आउन पाइयो। हामीलाई छुटाउने दोबाटो पनि अगाडि छ भन्ने संखा त लाग्या थियो। अब सुरु हुने भो रामायण। अब रामको सेनामा घुस्ने कि रावणको सेनामा घुस्ने भन्ने कुरो रह्यो। त्यो त अब जता लाग्दा सीता (आफ्नो परिभाषित तन्त्र) हात पार्न छोटो बाटो लाग्छ उतै लागम्ला नि। म नि निस्किन्छु ... ... ... बाटो हेर्न । >I KNOW I AM GOING TO TAKE SOME HEAT FOR TAKING ON SAJHA FAVORITE NEPE BAHADUR ल GORKHALi-X Brole मनासिब कुरा लेखे यसपाली।
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Posted on 02-03-05 8:48
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If there would be any mishap, it would be people like these bitchass dadagiri will dissapear. My first guess would be, flee to India if not you know where right? Nobody is going to bite the tongue anymore, straight down to business. If its us against you, bring it on. We will do that for the country, after all thats our godmother. {its all good in the hood}
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Posted on 02-03-05 9:19
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I absulately say YES... and I will support the King with all my heart. Don't forget that those so called politicians were given chances to prove themselves but they didn't do anything, oh ofcourse.. they have become so rich and that's the only improvement they did in these 14 years. They gave birth to the moist and instead of solving the problems they always fight for the power, they are so corrupted, it's beyond imagination. It is strange that whenever they are not in power they say that democracy is in trouble. What's that??? Finally, somebody had to do something to save this country from falling more and King did that. If we truely want peace in this country we should support him in this difficult time because our main goal is not who is in the power but to solve the miost problems. I trust the KIng and am sure he wil make difference.... Good luck King and we are with you in your every step... Pristi
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Posted on 02-03-05 9:54
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Get ready to be prime minister it;s easy now, no voting nothing, just go infront of palace and say sri pach maharajdhiraj sarkar ko jay jay jay, u will be given at least one post in ministry....., bow ur body all the way doown to floor....,this is what my grand father did..for real....i knwo my grandfather will be mad at me for what i wrote...but nevermind ..he does not know how to read english.....he became the "anchaladhis" in panchayet........and my friends if u are really frustrated to the leaders..show up this is the time to be minister....only the thing u have to do is ....say jay jay jay in front of palace....u will be knited with respect...no mater what capabilty u have to run the government..... in democracy u have to win the heart of people..and it's hard right...because of democracy everything is messed up...that is the reason we are not in our country right?...i guess it is right...because i knwo for sure...now on ward nobody will come abroad......because no communication dudes..... time will tell everything what is right and what is wrong....
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baibhav
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Posted on 02-03-05 10:01
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Looks like my thinking is more aligned to what Gaaunle put forward. As in every other incident in Nepal, we all of a sudden got a lot of people either supporting or opposing KG?s recent move. And, what surprises me is there are a certain block of people who support and celebrate whatever the incident is. In a sense we are lucky that we can celebrate on almost anything: we celebrated in 2046, 2036, 2017, 2007 and going as back as when there was a ?sindure jatra? for Ran Bahadur. So before we celebrate and throw a party this time, shouldn't we pause and think whether it indeed is a good move or not? We have no doubt that these politicians have deceived us in every instance in the last few years. They hurt our feelings by changing their faces and colors on every opportunity. They made the mockery of the parliament and the democratic systems as a whole. Now, the people have slowly started to realize that their vote is indeed powerful thing that turned these struggling ?sadak chaps? from rags to riches. It was the power of our vote. Would they vote again for these corrupted and self-centered leaders? May be not with much excitement as they did earlier; or may be they are already ready to discard them altogether. What we as a public tend to forget is: we are the ones who put these guys there and we have to share the blame too. Looks like we public as well as palace have already mastered the blame theory: always find somebody else to blame when something goes wrong. And, when it comes beyond our comprehension, we just blame India. When do we actually start taking the responsibility and stop being on the defensive side? What I never understood is: since when did we hand over the democracy to these leaders? I know we handed the mandate to run the government, these people are there for just governing purpose; I do not think we have handed our freedom and democracy as a whole. All this time I was thinking democracy was still in the hand of public, and a constitutional monarch could do nothing about it; it would be too soon to tell if it is still in our hand or not. We know for sure this move has given a serious blow to the corrupted leaders, but did it do any damage to the Maoists at all? I do not see it. I do think it has added more people to their ideological belief of republic. The media is already in the government control now, so we should not be surprised if we hear the victory from Royal Nepalese Army side to contain Maoists and the incident like in Holleri may not even come to the news. We can see that Maoists problem is already solved for last couple days. We did not hear anybody killed in last couple days. Now let?s celebrate that government have been given charge of what news to deliver that way we get to hear only the pleasant ones and the progress we have made under the leadership of monarchy as we did in the last few hundred years which just stopped all of a sudden after 1990. When a politician asks for a public vote, he creates a manifesto of his plans. If the politician does not perform as we wish, we can take him out of his office in the next election; basically that is our way of correcting something. Similarly, KG has his plan of making Nepal sound and smooth in next 3 years. I wish he be successful in doing that because that is good for all of us. What if he cannot do that? Do we have power to kick him out without bloodshed? Or, does that mean we should start gathering our muscles to come to the streets again if needed? Anyways, let?s celebrate on the grand occasion on the killing of infant democracy by somebody whose family is in the power for last few hundred years and Nepal has not progressed anywhere; and lets also congratulate our leaders who ignited it by adding fuel to the flame. I am just trying to apply the blame theory myself here. If the democratic systems and the parties are to blame for all the mischief, is there anything at all that these royals have to be blamed for? If all these parties did the mockery of democratic systems by corruption and self-fulfillment, didn?t these royals did mockery of monarchy by suspicious massacre inside the royal palace? We are so used to listening and giving these stories a soothing to our liking that we won?t be surprised anymore if the next day Nepal Radio broadcasts that Madab Kumar Nepal kills Girija Prasad Koirala and commits a suicide after that. Believe me eyewitness will be produced; people in power can prove anything.
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kuiyeko_aalu
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Posted on 02-03-05 10:10
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Bhaibhav jue...u have gr8 argument...i appriciate u...that's what we people should think of ..... "kaag le kan lagyo bhane,kaan chamne bhanda kaag ko pachadi daudanchau hami" ..me myself do so...i am not trying to tell only others..
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Posted on 02-03-05 10:22
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baibhab jue, u have gr8 argument....... i appriciate what u wrote and that;s what i thik... "kaag le kaan lagyo bhane kaag ko pachi dauranchau hami kaan chamna chodera"...ma pacni sdhai tesai garchu...
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Nepe
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Posted on 02-03-05 11:25
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DadaGiri ji, Yo kaam chor bhayera lekheko..
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Nepe
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Posted on 02-03-05 11:30
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Gorkhali-X, Please do not feel offended by what I am going to say because I am being very frank and honest. I love to have political debate with just about anybody, as you know me in Sajha. But I am not sure if I should have that one with you. My reason for this is purely non-political one. I have seen you mixing your tremendous personal ego with just about anything you talk here and getting personal with people who are not even remotely interested in you. I have seen you threatening to beat up people. I have seen you even implying threatening of raping a lady poster whose identity is publicly known. The lady chose not to respond to what you wrote and so I and, I guess, others too thought the best way to keep her honor is not to respond to you. The case was never discussed. It's not to say that you have not posted respectable stuff. You have. May be you are a good person in real. However, the kind of behave you showed in above cases bring to me an image of a person with criminal tendency. I am sorry for the offensive word, but I got to be honest with you. As I said, this could be your cyber persona only and you may be a good person in reality. So unless I know you well or see good side of yours enough to feel trustworthy, I am reluctant to have a political discussion or just about any discussion with you. However, you have asked things about me which I really want to share with my well-wishers. My personal philosophies, my limits or lack itof, my dreams, my sense of duty and meaningful life, the personal sacrifice I am willing to make for the cause I believe in and so on. But this in a right context and in a better atmosphere.
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Posted on 02-03-05 12:01
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The new division line in Nepalese politics is not about freedom of speech or peace and stability or love /loathe of democracy as far as I can tell. Are you willing to trust Gyanendra to do the right thing is what seems to divide the nation today. -------------------------------------------------------- "To Trust or Not to Trust: That is the question"
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