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Posted on 05-23-21 8:55
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People may agree or disagree with these questions. They are merely their opinions just like this article is the opinion of the author https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/15/5-questions-to-ask-your-friends-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/ ------------------------------------ Many of us have friends or family who plan on getting the vaccine. Maybe they truly believe they are in danger. Maybe they think it’s better safe than sorry. Maybe they just want to be able to go to the pub again. If you know someone who is planning on getting vaccinated against Covid19, ask them these five questions. Make sure they understand exactly what they’re asking for. 1. DID YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY VACCINATED AGAINST ANY CORONAVIRUS? No successful vaccine against a coronavirus has ever been developed. Scientists have been trying to develop a SARS and MERS vaccine for years, with nothing to show for it. In fact, some of the failed SARS vaccines actually caused hypersensitivity to the SARS virus. Meaning that vaccinated mice could potentially get the disease more severely than unvaccinated mice. 2. DID YOU KNOW IT USUALLY TAKES 5-10 YEARS TO FULLY DEVELOP A VACCINE? Vaccine development is a slow, laborious process. Usually, from development through testing and finally being approved for public use takes many years. The various vaccines for Covid have all been developed and approved in less than a year. While the media are quick to offer a TON of “explainer” guides, which cite “foresight, hard work and luck” as the reasons we got a Covid vaccine so quickly “without cutting corners”, they all leave out key information. Namely, that none of the vaccines have yet been subject to proper trials. Many of them skipped early-stage trials entirely, and the late stage human trials have either not been peer reviewed, have not released their data, will not finish until 2023 or were abandoned after “severe adverse effects”. 3. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COVID “VACCINE” IS BASED ON NEW TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN APPROVED FOR USE ON HUMANS BEFORE? While traditional vaccines work by exposing the body to a weakened strain of the microorganism responsible for causing the disease, these new Covid vaccines are mRNA vaccines. mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) vaccines theoretically work by injecting viral mRNA into the body, where it replicates inside your cells and encourages your body to recognise, and make antigens for, the “spike proteins” of the virus. They have been the subject of research since the 1990s, but before 2020 no mRNA vaccine was ever approved for use. 4. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CAN’T BE SUED IF THE VACCINE HURTS OR KILLS SOMEONE? Back in the Spring of 2020 many governments around the world granted vaccine manufacturers immunity to civil liability, either by invoking existing legislation or writing new laws. The USA’s Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP) grants immunity until at least 2024. The EU’s product licensing law does the same, and there are reports of confidential liability clauses in the contracts the EU signed with vaccine manufacturers. The UK went even further, granting permanent legal indemnity to the government, and any employees thereof, for any harm done when a patient is being treated for Covid19 or “suspected Covid19”. 5. DID YOU KNOW 99.8% OF PEOPLE SURVIVE COVID19? The case-fatality ratio of Sars-Cov-2 infection has been a bone of contention for months, but it is certainly much lower than all the initial models predicted. It was originally massively inflated, with the WHO using a figure of 3.4%. Subsequent studies have found it to be much lower, in some cases even lower than 0.1%. A report published in October in the WHO’s own research bulletin finding a CFR of 0.23% “or possibly considerably lower”. Meaning, even according to the WHO, at least 99.77% of people infected with the virus will survive. * Ask your friends these questions. Give them detailed answers. It is a rushed and untested vaccine, made using unprecedented technology, with no legal recourse should it do you harm, to treat a virus 99.8% of people will survive. So the question that really matters is: Do you really want, or need, to take that risk?
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p14nd3m1c
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Posted on 05-24-21 5:38
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"mRNA technology has been in progress for decades. mRNA technology does not have to be approved. By the way, mRNA vaccine technology has already produced drugs for cancer immunotherapy which has been approved by FDA., Did you know that? Go search."
This technology has been studied for a while but mrna vaccines has never been approved till Covid vaccine, and even this approval is not a full FDA approval as it's only emergency use authorization. The technology may have been used for drugs but never as a vaccine. Hope you do your research to clarify.
"That's until 2024 because of the provision introduced by government. But guess what, Pfizer CEO also can't sue his company if get's hurt or dies because of the vaccine he has received."
It does not matter if the CEO can sue or not. Who can really verify is the CEO gets the vaccine or not? The fact is companies are liable for their products. Car companies get sued for bad cars. Medicine companies get sued if their medicine cause side effects or deaths. But vaccine companies are above the law. So which means they do not have the urgency or the need to make sure the vaccines are safe.
Good to have a healthy discussion instead of people coming off like attack dogs of the vaccine industry attacking anyone who questions the vaccines. So thank you.
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Posted on 05-24-21 5:41
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Why don't you make a single post with all of the vaccine threads? People can get all of the information they need (if they are interested) in one post. The first page of sajha is almost entirely packed with vaccine-related post when I open it.
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Posted on 05-24-21 6:01
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p14nd3m1c. What you describe as a common sense may not be as simple as you think. Again, let me reiterate; YOU ARE NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. You do not have enough credential to deem the COVID-19 vaccine as inefficient. You are entitled to your opinion but your frequent post on Sajha is starting to sound like "beating a dead dog" to me. Although, I give you a standing ovation for you consistency on spreading your conspiracy theory on covid-19 vaccine. By the way, I read your post just for amusement. If I need to research something worthy of my time, I would read from someone with actual credential, not from someone who don't even have a real name. Now let's talk about the ideas. Full disclaimer: I am not a subject matter export on COVID-19 and anything discussed blow is just my personal opinion. 1. DID YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY VACCINATED AGAINST ANY CORONAVIRUS? Success can be subjective in times of pandemic. Although, the pandemic is not over yet, number of infection has gone down significantly. Vaccine doesn't promise to be 100% efficient but it can reduce the full effect of the infection. Consequently, less people will need to be hospitalized. 2. DID YOU KNOW IT USUALLY TAKES 5-10 YEARS TO FULLY DEVELOP A VACCINE? Coronaviruses didn’t just pop up recently. They’re a large family of viruses that have been around for a long time. Many of them can cause a variety of illnesses, from a mild cough to severe respiratory illnesses.With that being said, covid vaccine was not developed over night without an extended scientific data. Modern medicine has come a long way. 5-10 year is a basic requirement to study effect of vaccine. It is a rule set forth by different organizations to set the standard practice. Sometime 5-10 year development don't even mean anything. People can still get adverse effect from vaccine or medication even after 10 years. 3. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COVID “VACCINE” IS BASED ON NEW TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN APPROVED FOR USE ON HUMANS BEFORE? There is always first time for everything. Just because it has not been approved, does not mean it is potentially harmful or even lethal. Refer to my answer above. 4. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CAN’T BE SUED IF THE VACCINE HURTS OR KILLS SOMEONE? Welcome to the reality. If you don't know already by now, such practice is nothing out of ordinary. There is always an assumed risk on something that hasn't been fully researched. Just because they can't be sued does not mean they are intentionally trying to cause harm. To me it seems like they are just trying to cut down their liability on insurance and lawyer fees and other administrative huddles while leveraging on the crisis created by pandemic. After all they are just like any other corporates who runs on money. 5. DID YOU KNOW 99.8% OF PEOPLE SURVIVE COVID19? Not sure how precise is your claim but you need to be very careful when discussing statistic data. Data can be manipulated easily to fit one's narration. Putting data out in the general public can be very misleading. Statistic data is based on the sample size and a lot of the time sample size may not be the actual representation. To me, actual people are not data. I would rather look at the people to my left and to my right and decide. p14nd3m1c since you made me type this long reply, you owe me a lunch now....hahaha
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Posted on 05-24-21 6:38
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Dorje Tsering
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Posted on 05-24-21 8:54
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Rockey you are funny 🤣🤣😂😂
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Posted on 05-24-21 10:30
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Dorje Tsering I don't know who you are or why you thought it was necessary to call out my actual name publicly but good job on your effort (although any one could have figured out about me from my previous posts). Hope you feel better and give yourself a pat on your back. By the way, the only reason I posted the FB link above is because, I wanted to reveal how people like pandemic is copying ideas from different sources and be loud about it. I genuinely don't believe that this is his actual FB account looking at the profile. I said what I said. I just hope I didn't tick off anyone I know here in Sajha. But if you got offended with my post, I really can't help you...🤣🤣🤣
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Posted on 05-25-21 6:24
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Rockey
My posts in sajha are not to show my faith in one religion versus other. If I see a hole in the logic in any religion, I will bring it up. I see a lot of holes in the vaccination religion currently so I am bringing them up. You do not have to be a subject matter expert to share anything or express your opinion. According to you everyone should shut up and just let the subject matter expert speak. What kind of a sad life of servitude are you proposing?
You are free to keep re-repeating your faith in your subject matter expert but all throughout human history, we have seen many false prophets who were revered as subject matter experts until their human greed were exposed. So are you 100% sure that your subject matter expert can never make any mistake? Or that they do not have any greed to increase their bank account or to screw beautiful girls provided by people like Epstein?
Many times people like you like to brush of anything that is beyond the media spun reality as conspiracy theory without even knowing what you are saying.
"you consistency on spreading your conspiracy theory"
Why don't you point out one thing that I have shared that is conspiracy theory.
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Posted on 05-25-21 6:38
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Subject matter expert lying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-2kGhQ5WWo Read some of the comments. People are becoming woke to these lying experts. You have to spend a lot of time in finding information not approved by media in order to know the truth. Most people don't have time to go beyond the mainstream media, which is fine.
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Another subject matter expert Bill Gates who pretty much owns the WHO with his grants, shares his thoughts on why he does not want to share the patents on vaccines with the world. The subject matter expert cares more about profits from vaccine patents than making sure the people all over the world are safe. The right thing to do at this point would be to save the people but no - the subject matter experts want to profit. Screw the people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5DavuOkcM
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Posted on 05-25-21 8:25
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Top scientists shaken by revelations that Covid isn’t natural but a lab-made virus that ‘escaped’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlO8sKRynBY
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Posted on 05-25-21 1:13
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This technology has been studied for a while but mrna vaccines has never been approved till Covid vaccine, and even this approval is not a full FDA approval as it's only emergency use authorization. The technology may have been used for drugs but never as a vaccine. Hope you do your research to clarify. -Well, you got it wrong, FDA has approved the cancer vaccine that has been developed using mRNA technology. GO SEARCH. I have told you before that EUA is necessary to slow down or stop the pandemic and world cannot wait it to be fully approved (let's say 5 years) before another millions of people would have died. Even with the EUA and millions of vaccination thereafter, ~3.5 million people have died. Who knows how many would have died if there was no EUA. Pfizer and moderna are working to get the full approval for their vaccines. I assume you would say that it was approved in a hurry later if it is approved (let's say in 2 years)
Who can really verify is the CEO gets the vaccine or not? -I guess the only way to verify that the CEO got the vaccine is that you should have given shots to him.
The fact is companies are liable for their products. Car companies get sued for bad cars. Medicine companies get sued if their medicine cause side effects or deaths. But vaccine companies are above the law. So which means they do not have the urgency or the need to make sure the vaccines are safe. -You missing the point here. The vaccine production and approval does not happen overnight. They go through the lot of experiments, preclinical trials and various stages of clinical trials. All these protocols include measuring the efficacy and safety of the vaccine while used in the humans. The vaccine companies does not receive blanket immunity. They can still be sued if they misled on the data, or if they willfully misconduct. The immunity that was provided in covid19 vaccine development is a rare case and does not happen always.
Good to have a healthy discussion instead of people coming off like attack dogs of the vaccine industry attacking anyone who questions the vaccines. So thank you. -Everyone has their own style of commenting and expressing. I think you deserve some level of criticism when you keep posting anti-vaccination posts and not a bit of pro-vaccination post. You say that you are not anti-vaxxer, but your posts and comments show otherwise. If you are trying to raise the concern regarding the safety and long-term effects or other things about these vaccine, you should start discussion in a good way.
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Posted on 05-25-21 1:44
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@aksshre I was thinking the same. It'd be better if he had one post for his vaccine related theories and what not. @ p14nd3m1c my suggestion to you would be to utilize your resources in helping people. If you have so much of free time in your hand, how about signing up as a volunteer or doing some other things to help people. I get that you don't want to be vaccinated. But just let others get it if they want to.
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Posted on 05-25-21 3:13
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@aksshre & @wegalzrock I will limit myself to one thread. Thanks for your positive feedback.
@bbmb You are free to embrace the current Emergency Use Authorization vaccines, which have not gone through rigorous FDA approval process. I don't blame you or question your decision but at the same time I am free to ask the difficult questions or at least share them. Let's end at that because I think we have said everything that needs to be said from our own side. None of which are wrong I think.
Have a great day. I have a busy schedule today
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Posted on 05-25-21 3:36
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Ya, LET'S END THIS WHOLE THING NOW. We know where you stands and there has been enough of the discussions for and against the vaccine. Sajha users are educated enough to look out for the information regarding the vaccine safety and efficacy. You don't have to make a new post of vaccine in the future when almost everyone knows where you stand. Adios
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Posted on 05-25-21 3:42
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bbmb, " You don't have to make a new post of vaccine in the future" I think you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself there. Obviously if something new shareworthy comes I will share it. But it's just not worth discussing the same thing with you over and over again.
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Posted on 05-25-21 3:53
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I don't know what is shareworthy for you because you have been sharing all sorts of posts against the vaccine. But if there is something that is worth of discussion, sure go ahead. I will look forward to put my input in there. Looking forward to discussion worthy topic from you. Yeah, it's just not worth discussing the same things with you over and over again.
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Posted on 05-25-21 3:59
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Yes you definitely would not know what I would think is shareworthy. That's because you are not me LOL. In any case it's probably better to stop arguing about the same stuff. Sajha gives this awesome tool to thread originators to delete responses. Please excuse me if I start deleting same kind of responses because it begins to get boring.
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Posted on 05-25-21 4:17
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I am aware of that awesome tool. and I support the idea that it does not make any sense to repeat the same thing. You and I know where things head to. "Insanity is the doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
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Posted on 05-25-21 4:48
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Wegalzrock “ But just let others get it if they want to.” You are saying it like I am forcefully holding back people who want to get vaccinated. That’s not true at all. I have not encouraged nor discouraged anyone. I ask questions which makes one think. At least those that make me think and I think it’s okay to ask questions unless we are living in a communist country where we are simply ordered to obey the dictates of the ruling class who are influenced heavily by corporations and their investors.
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Dorje Tsering
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Posted on 05-27-21 10:57
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@Rockey sorry I was just kidding. I saw your cool videos so could not resist.
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Posted on 05-27-21 11:03
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p14nd3m1c, what do you think about the new press release by Joe Biden to investigate if Corona was man made. Facebook and twitter used to ban any comments that said corona was man made now they are changing their rules.
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