i am simply baffled! the constitution says Nepal is a Hindu kingdom, and yet i believe nobody in sajha has yet posted anything on one of the sankarcharyas, Kanchi Sankaracharya, a Hindu religious guru [with close ties to our royal family], who was recently charged with murder of his former aide in India, and who has been been held in a prison in Tamil Nadu since Nov 11. how did one of the prime leaders of the Hindus with strong links to the Hindu base and charities in Nepal and the world over get in this mess? He is also being charged with trying to "flee to Nepal" after the murder, something the accused lawyer has countered. whatever the future verdict, this has already sent a shockwave through the Hindu world - especially among the more fundamentalist groups such as Shiva Sena, Hindu Vishwa sansthan, Hindu Jagaran Manch, etc etc.

-karmapa

correction in line 8: ..., something the accused's lawyer has countered....

where there is money there is evil, just like priest of Pashupati temple. Too much corrupted. PPl with no financial backgrounds come n become priest and runs their own airline company, priest of pashupati naath temple

My way of thinking is, asides from being a SANKARCHARYA, he is a human being and humans are bound to make mistake. You hear about priests molesting boys in the news here all the time. They are also religious people but in the end they are human and every human in their life time will make some sort of mistake or mistakes..

well, didn't dor bahadur bista write that it was a certain sankaracharya from south india who introduced the Hindu caste system in Nepal? in return, the sankaracharya granted [religious] legitimacy to the ruler[s] of the time. well being endorsed by a high brahmin certainly amounted to something back then, as it does now. Could that have been the origin of the myth that the ruler is an incarnation of a Hindu God? This practice continues to this day...albeit in its much watered-down version.

Somewhere i read that the Kanchi sankaracharya, who is now cooling his heels in a Tamilnadu prison, was also present at our our Late King Birendra's coronation. was it him who crowned Late King Birendra?

-karmapa

Turbine, you are implying that Sankaracharya is a human being and as a human being made a mistake because human beings make mistake(s) in his/her lifetime. In a sense, you seem to be indirectly implying that he is a murderer. Careful, that is not for us to say, but should leave that upto to the court to decide.

However, you take easy comforts in metaphors and quotes like 'human being makes mistakes' [we all have heard this line too often, in fact], as if forgiveness/pardon is every human being's birth right. you know the problem with that kind of belief. i don't even have to spell it out for you. you know it.

But whoever made the mistake certainly didn't make a small mistake. the proof is in the shockwave it has sent through the Hindu world. well have you even bothered to think that may be it was not a mistake at all, but premeditated murder induced by greed and hate.

-karmapa

Karmapa, all I said was that he is a human and made mistake. You're right; it's up to the court to decide. One thing though, if for some reason he wasn't related to this crime, why is he in jail right now? Even though he may not have committed the murder itself, he had some role on it. That's how I see it. Yes naturally it comes as a shock to us all when someone so powerful and in such high level is accused of some crime but in the end that will not be the first murder committed by anyone powerful, that will not be the only murder committed in India, Nepal or the whole world this year. I don't know the stats but just take a look at the number of homicides that happen around the world everyday. Unless it's someone famous committing the crime, you don't hear about all the murders or crimes that happen around the world.

I certainly don't want to get into the possible conspiracy theory behind this which you imply by your last paragraph. Think logically for once, how come we are only hearing about him being on the jail cell and not some one else. Every crime has some sort of a trail. Hopefully the truth about this one will come out one of these days.

When I said humans make mistakes that was not a statement of forgiveness. It was just comment and a simple truth. Don't be shocked because he is accused of murder. The way you are sounding is as if he is some type of God and can't be doing anything foul. If the person that got killed in this ordeal was murdered by someone else, would you even hear about it on the news? Sankarachary is certainly not the first Hindu to commit murder.

Yes, sankaracharya is a human being too. No human being is above the law. If he is condemned of such heinous crime as homicide, he must be punished according to the laws. This isn't the case of pride vs prejudice, this is sankaracharya vs the hindu kingdom of Nepal.

I belief this is the pinancle of "Kali", Buddha janmeko desh ma rakta pat, Sankaracharya jasto padabi bha ko manche murderer, lo ba you nai rahecha kali. Dnhanna pianacle ko contemporarian bhaiyecha, la ho aba kali woralo lagcha sabai afno thau ma thik hudai jancha.

Ramro kura dream garda ma ke nai bigrancha ra.

This incidence will hasten the fast eroding faith among Hindus and related religions.

turbine, i agree that humans make mistakes. but you are merely stating the obvious. what is your reason for saying this 'oft-cited quote' in a case that involves cold murder and allegedly involves the sankaracharya? well if slobadan milosovic was a human he would have been spared; but he was a murderer also. i have no argument with his 'human' aspect at all. i think it is dangerous to casually equate 'human' with 'murderer'.

a case in point: well if somebody said Hitler killed 6 million-plus jews (which is true), it's like you are rejoining with 'well Hitler is a human, and a human makes mistakes." well buddy, the jews will not be amused to hear that. they will be only too happy to fry your balls.

and i certainly was not amused when you said well the sankarcharya - alleged murderer - is a human being and humans make mistakes. what point are u trying to make anyway?

-karmapa

Karmapa,
I believe, Turbine by using, "human make mistakes," was merely trying to say that it should be of no shock that someone who is a sankarcharya ( I don't even know what the hell this means) committed murder. There are murderers everywhere, and why do we need to just focus on this particular one? Why? Because Sankarcharya is involved??? He is a human first anyway, isn't it? So let's focus on the one committed by army or maoists in rural nepali village, instead.

Sorry guys but I have not even what you all have written.I just want to say this guy is guilty of murder so who cares he is hindu pr christian priest; he should be punish for his crime.He being a high priest with money and power does give him immunity from the law.

We cannot be compared to "Shankaracharya". Not on the grounds that he is more intelligent or has supernatural power, but he is an icon. He has followers who worship him as God . So if he is accused of a murder, it definitely should be highlighted as much as possible. It should be done not because other murders are unimportant but highlighting the possible crime by Shankaracharya has benefits. People might get cautious and think before they follow any baba's or guru's. People might think again before joining a religious politicial party. OR on the negative side people might flip out cause he is what they have being believing blindly. I am really impressed by Tamil Nadu's police department. I think that was a very daring work. Even though he is acquitted, and he was innocent to begin with, boy I am happy. It reminds everyone that such Guru's are also under some constitution that governs normal people like you and me. I wish somebody interviewed him, cause then we will be able to see if he is really divine or not. One of the prabachans I heard said that such Guru's are not affected by anything, and nomatter what anybody does to them they are still filled with love and affection like before for every living being and that they have overcome this Maya of the world. Lets wait and see.

Yatri_freewoman, I completely agree with you. We cannot be compared with "Shankaracharya", like you've said. Comapring a murdered with non-murderers is like comparing apple with orange.

if that dick shankarcharya has killed anybody then may the indian court put him in jail for life or execute him.them all bastards the leaders of every religion most of them are freaking corrupt freaks.in the name of god ,them alll loot money.
buddhism is totally commercial now a days.
hinduism,pasupati nath and the bhattas of there show how it is.i read on "nepal" a priest from some holy gufa in nepal was complaining he gets no money.live in a gufa and a preist and complaining he gets no money .sick bastar.
islam, we all know what the religious leaders do.
christianity, ohh the biggest looters in the name of church.
sai baba oh welll a total facker.
lets see,like the extreme islamist there are these extreme hinduist in india lets see how they react.... one name springs up ,,shiva sena and sankaracharya is some dick related to mahadev.

Karmapa
Murder is a crime against humanity. Everything after that including religious aspect are just secondary. The way you are posting, it seems you're making religion the first thing and it shouldn't be. Read my last posting again and again..until it becomes clear to you what my point is..The point is, don't be shocked someone in such high power committed or is being linked to a crime. Be shocked that it was a murder first.

Well guys, there is big politics going on under the umbrella of Congress. No body knows about the crime of shankarcharya utill proven, but if Government wants him to be used for thier political will they will do it and they are doing it.

You see there are many high powered people who are linked with many many crimes (well.. many politicians in Nepal have killed many people in front of mass, believe me I know), or you can have an example of Paras. But untill governmont is not strong it cannot do anything, even if government is strong it will only punish them if it is helping them to keep thier motives on.

So , whatever crme these gurus do, they should make goverment on thier side to survive otherwise they will be caught for any one of thier crimes.

Look at Sai baba, he molested many little kids, but he is pouring money to politicians and many other stuff, he is still ok. but someday some body will get him.

I hate politics.

turbine, ok i concede that i should not be shocked about this turn of event because humans make mistakes. and i am not. but the point i have been unsuccessfully trying to drive home is: do you honestly believe this 'murder' was a 'mistake' ? i see a big disconnect here.

i'm not trying to absolve sankaracharya at all. hell, if you ask me, if he is guilty i think he should be put on a 'shuli', poetic justice vedic style. but that's for the court to decide if it finds him guilty. all i'm doing is wondering why Turbine is even using the word 'human mistake' in relation to a case that involves cold murder?

& hurray, i have heard that 'he is a human first' line one too many times. i do not take comfort in cliches like that. god knows what sankaracharya is first, or what he is last. but i think right now, sankaracharya is an alleged murderer first and foremost. enuf said.

Karmapa,

I'm sorry that you still don't see the point. Well sorry I can't do anything about arrogance or ignorance. Once again the point is you started this thread regarding a Sankaracharya in connection about a murder.. That's the whole point. Had you started a thread saying a human was slain, that's something to consider. Your whole focus was on the Sankaracharya. Did you even mention the name of the person that was slain? The saying about humans making mistakes is not my point..once again the point, we should focus on humanity first, not the position that the alleged killers hold..If you still don't get it, then stop responding to me..I don't know how blunt I can be about this.

Hope someone here in Sajha has taken the time to go through this whole thread and see the point I'm trying to bring across..

I guess thi scase will be dismissed by under table money. Don't worry guys.